Allow unknown watching date
i'm a Trakt noob. when my favorite iPhone app completely shifted over to using Trakt for their backend, i had to create a Trakt account if i wanted to continue using it. so i did.
recently i learned that the Trakt website lets you also track Movie's & such too (yes, i had not visited the actual website until recently); so i began to explore the site & thought i'd start filling in what i've seen & wanna see etc.
i was astonished to find that i could NOT add any movies to the "History" & "Collection" areas without providing a date & time. THAT's HORRIBLE!!! how the hell do i know when i first watch "The Princess Bride" or "Aliens" or "Braveheart" etc etc etc ?!?!?!?!
surely this can't be so, so... i dug in a little to the support pages - only to find that the Trakt people have made an intentional decision to NOT allow us users to add vids we've watched &/or own without requiring the date & time of such watching/buying! this is INCONCEIVABLE (pun intended) in my opinion!
to me, this renders my utilizing this service/site useless!
but, since this site SEEMS to be the best option to track both tv & movies, i would like to make a plea to the owner(s)/developer(s) to make the date/time part optional. or, if you can't conceive of how to do that (for some weird reason), then put an "unknown" or "i don't remember" option in the date/time sheet.
i read on one of the other posts linked below, where Founder/Admin Justin Nemeth said, "We don’t plan on supporting an unknown date right now since everything is key off of dates" - if that's true, then perhaps you can program in a hidden date/time for database purposes; or just add the date/time of the "Add to..." action AND having an optional date/time of watched/seen option for the users to use if they want to (and if they remember the date/time of when they saw it). all that to say, i bet some creative out-of-the-box thinking could figure out a solution.
now, i spent all this time to try, search, read, & write this but i do recognize that i could have missed something somewhere to render this post a stupid waste; and if that's so, then my apologies!
lastly, if you've actually read this far, then...
thank you for your time & consideration.
Your points make sense, but as before this is still not something we plan on supporting. I’ll move this to researching, but I don’t anticipate changing this in the near term.
Myron Aub commented
> For those that started with trakt from the beginning, perfect, everything is accounted for.
I agree except that I do not believe there is a single user in the entire world who started using Trakt at the very same time they first started watching TV or Movies. Even a young teenager probably cannot remember the exact first time they watched the Wizard of Oz with their parents.
In other words this is an issue that affects practically every single Trakt user.
Probably like most people I use the Release Date for unknown or just guess the year with a random date. As a programmer myself I can totally understand the difficulties involved but it would be great if Trakt could come up with a neat solution.
I've been an avid Trakt user for years, and have integrated it with Apple TV and a bunch of stuff.
I would pay money to have this and the top issue resolved - dropping shows and marking things as watched are unnecessarily frustrating, while being part of two of the most key processes of the site.
Pavol Vlasák commented
@justin-nemeth This is single most terrible issue of the Trakt. Maybe you should reconsider implementing it since it's the 5th most voted idea here.
Dinis Correia commented
What if the granularity of the watch date could be adjusted? So instead of having to choose a specific day I could just go for month/year – or even just year.
This is especially frustrating when trying to mark as watched old TV shows episodes (I watch a lot on the Apple TV, so I manually have to mark them and sometimes I forget to do it right away) – there's no way I can remember the specific day I watched each episode, but I know I watched the entire season in 2017, for example.
The main problem I have with not having a 'unknown' release date is that my 'year in review' shows a massive amount of history on one day which is simply the day I have chosen to place all my 'unknown' show watching history.
I still think this would be a very useful feature to have. When did I see Star Wars for the first time? I have no idea. It came out 4 years before I was born, and I know I first saw it on TV, but I have no idea when.
My options are currently:
1. Just now. That's not true.
2. Release date. That's the most useful option, but it's still not true, and even less true for movies that were out before I was born.
3. Specific date. I can try to guess, but it's likely I'll be off by years, and certainly by months.
So let's just add:
4. Unknown. I know I've seen it, but have no idea when. Perfect. That's exactly what I need.
A simple solution could be to add a flag labelling any particular date as "uncertain" or "approximate".
If a user doesn't know when they watched something, they could use the release date (or a date close to when they think they watched it) but mark it as "approximate", so they can later see the date was just a guess. This way the system could continue to work normally, while at the same time allowing users to know which dates are exact and which aren't.
When I'm done watching an episode or finishing up a movie, I always add it to my watched history. But, the only problem I have with this is that you're forced to add the time when you've watched it. All I want to do is just add the date, not the time.
- Example: http://imgur.com/DYXkl5P
Just pick a random date with the right year (or estimated year) in the past.
Joe Hartenstine commented
ImreToth, I don't know if this is any help to you, but the way I solved this issue for myself was this: for everything I KNOW I've watched before the day I began Trakt, I just put "On Release Date" as the watched date. This, of course, has led me to say I've watched certain silent films 100 years before I was born. But, for me, it made sense that no reasonable person would be bothered by that.
Dinis Correia commented
I think this would be great, especially for new users (like me).
I'm importing my watched movies from iCheckMovies and there's no way I can get that with a correct watch date.
David Jarosz commented
I just started using trakt, as it was recommended by my brother. I've been using Plex for a while, and it was able to sync with it.
However, some of the shows have not been accounted for in my history for various reasons, and I don't remember (like many of you) when I watched them.
I honestly can't see a point in not having a general "watched" button that excludes the date and time requirement.
For those that started with trakt from the beginning, perfect, everything is accounted for. For those of us that simply can't remember and would rather not pick an arbitrary date or date aired.
The OP (and others) have made a really good case for this to happen. Honestly, I was very excited about this service until I learned about this...
Tom Kiefer commented
> "This isn’t something we plan to support since many of the site features rely on this data."
> A lot of site functionality surrounding stats use the watched date...
If I'm understanding this correctly, the answer is that they designed themselves into a corner on this one (hey, it happens), so fixing this UX bug at this point would be more expensive than it sounds on the surface, so it's not getting fixed. Understandable.
Just understand that this UX bug makes the entire feature of having watched-dates at all nearly useless for those of us who run into the situations ImreToth describes.
Even the idea of a no-value UI state that corresponding to a MinDate value in the code/data would seem a pretty reasonable patch for this. But if the coded-into corner doesn't even work with that sort of a patch... wow. That's some corner.
> It would be best to keep the comments in a single thread moving forward.
@dgw Ahh ok, that makes sense to me.
If it's of any help, I've been able to work around the memory issue just by looking at various sources, such as the backlog of my digital calendar, Facebook events, Netflix history (which logs everything you watch with a timestamp), and just asking some friends that I watched with. So at this point, for the movies I can't remember, I am able to at least remember if I saw them before or after certain other movies, allowing me to fit them into the map approximately.
(The timestamps on Ratings have been bothering me, however.)
@goose: Ratings isn't History. If you remember that you saw something but don't remember it well enough to give an honest rating, that's a problem. Ratings also have timestamps, and you can't even override them as you can for History and Collection entries.
For what it's worth, the Collection feature could also do with allowing the omission of a timestamp. It's not so much the specific type of entry as it is the fact that timestamps are *required* for *all Trakt data*, which is not practical if one is filling in a profile from memory.
Maybe I'm missing something, but isn't this the difference between the Ratings feature and the History feature? The History feature is specifically for chronicling when you watch any given movie or episode of a show, while the Ratings feature lets you have a list of all of the movies you have seen by what you rate them, without the requirement of specifying a watched date.
I can see how this would be difficult for Collections though. The point of that feature is to keep a list of what you own, not necessarily to keep a list of when you bought it.
This seems to be an issue for a lot of people though, so will someone please explain what it is I'm missing?
My workaround is to specify a manual timestamp for things I know I watched but don't know when, telling the site I watched it at the exact minute of my birth. It means that statistical distortion is limited to that one day/year, and all following years should have accurate data.
Would still be better to mark something as seen without having to timestamp it. Items without timestamps could contribute to aggregate statistics without affecting time-based stats.
I've posted a similar request, but more detailed, here: <https://is.gd/3T6vYm>